[They] know the gig is almost up. All the lower-class luciferian sycophant operatives are trying to grab up every last scrap before the hammer falls. This goes hand-in-hand with the larger plan to drain the middle class of literally everything.
TPTB don't need our money any more. They already own everything. What they don't have, they can take. What they must "buy" they simply launder monies or print it. Here's the thing: they just can't let us have it because people with resources make terrible slaves.
I agree with you re: silver lining. We are reaching the naked plundering stage of empire collapse. The MIC is whispering to Congress that they better vote for the plundering if they want to be in the good graces of the spook state and their armed minions when the wheels finally come off.
Expect the rot to become more in our faces, because there is no longer much profit in hiding it.
Sadly, both parties are heads of the same evil beast and if we want to see change, we need to start with ourselves. Run for your local offices and support those whose morals are aligned with yours. Chuck Tumor's net worth has more than doubled since Biden was selected for office, yet they use income equality as talking points. ESG's being forced on companies to squeeze the little ones out and then apply DEI to this recipe of disaster. The Protocols of the Elders of Zion a conspiracy theory is playing out right before our eyes.
Morg- block me if you want to, but either this is a slightly better explanation of the gomer pyles of congress or it is spin to keep the masses distracted.
Why would I block you, Jeffrey? There is nothing wrong with posting a link to a WSJ article, though it is regime media to me. I scanned it and it seems to be pushing the same bullshit about "the world's dangers." 🙄
The empire is the cause of those dangers. You don't see such paranoia on the part of China or Russia or India. Yet in the US, it's always the same line about how "dangerous" the world is and how many more weapons, etc. the empire needs.
Do any of these people realize that the US is surrounded by two oceans? Nobody is coming over here to invade the place, nor would anybody want to take over what can only be considered a lunatic asylum at this point.
All of the regime media pushes the line about needing more military spending, but that is one of the things that is bringing down the empire. Sooner or later, it will not be able to finance such massive military expenditures.
Thank you. I try to look at issues from as many different perspectives as I can find. I don’t think they will come by ocean, but from the badlands to the south. Maybe or maybe not. 👍
Well, the southern border is wide open. But the invasion isn't from China, Russia, Iran etc. It's people coming in from south and central america, and the government has blessed the invasion and made sure it keeps happening.
I suppose if you were a terrorist or whatever, you would probably go to that border to get into the country. Or maybe Canada, or come in on a boat to the coasts. Plenty of ways to get in if somebody really wants to do it.
Agreed that the linked WSJ article is not to be taken seriously. It plays up the kayfabe competition between the Ds & Rs, thus directing the reader's attention away from the submerged iceberg of collaboration and agreement between the two imperial factions.
WSJ asserts that tens of billions of dollars spent to enable Israel's ongoing assault on the civilian population in Gaza exemplifies the strength and nobility of the US. They have to assert it, because there is no credible argument to be made in support of that conclusion.
History proves whenever a nation goes down, the last thing to happen is they pillage the treasury.
(I remember when we all freaked out over $17 trillion debt.)
They have pillaged our treasury, our strategic petroleum reserves, our food & grain reserves and our military cache. They've also spent the last 3 years firebombing our food supply chain.
All while flooding us with enemy combatents and inciting race, class and sex warfare all across this land.
The "Silver Lining" for me is that this "election" hogwash won't last much longer before we move into the next phase........
Given the “ethnic oligarchs” deep perversion, the cult of victimhood + genocide it is difficult NOT to fall into antisemitism that becomes a doppelgänger of their foul paranoia and hatreds.
This is especially true when facing off in the comments against low info sheeple and Zio-apologists. Perhaps some of the sheeple will read enough Unz and alt media to come round. The confirmed Zios will never break out of their murder-suicide cult.
For those of us focused on reality and the coming catastrophe, Morg’s silver lining and gallows humor are responses that will keep us sane. And I will try not to hate the EOs (ethnic Os) to avoid becoming infected by the demonic forces controlling them.
"The end result will be more dead Palestinians in Gaza as the zionists continue their genocidal rampage."
I hope you don't consider the Allied war against Germany to have been a "genocidal rampage." The RAF and the USAF killed more Germans in one single German city than the Israelis have killed in all the years since 1948.
Hamas has openly vowed to destroy all of the Jews, and Israel is right to crush them in response.
Since people do not fight with bows and arrows any more, civilian casualties are inevitable: ask the Germans, the Vietnamese, the Iraqis and the Afghans.
All of the blame for this war lies squarely on Hamas for its giving a higher priority to slaughtering Jews than to securing the well-being of the Palestinian people, about whom the leaders of Hamas care nothing.
Just think of all of the jobs and housing and educational opportunities that could have been provided if the leaders of Hamas had not stolen hundreds of millions for themselves and squandered millions more on their stupid tunnels.
And why do you think the Egyptians have kept their part of the Gaza border closed? They have had problems with Islamic fundamentalists in the past - as in the assassination of Sadat for his crime of making peace with Israel (Nasser jailed and tortured them for years). Hamas is an offshoot of the Egyptian Islamic Brotherhood and the last thing the Egyptians want is a bunch of bloodthirsty and crazy Hamas murderers running amok in Egypt, murdering tourists or anyone they deem to be insufficiently Islamic.
"I hope you don't consider the Allied war against Germany to have been a "genocidal rampage." The RAF and the USAF killed more Germans in one single German city than the Israelis have killed in all the years since 1948."
When Hamas tanks roll into Paris, you can bring out the World War II comparison.
Obviously, there are differences between WW2 and the current situation in the Middle East. There are always differences in two things or situations being compared. If there were no differences, the two things would be identical.
But, while there are differences, there are profound similarities. For example, Hamas has openly stated its desire to kill all Jews, and against Hezbollah, Hamas and Iran Israel is literally fighting for its survival, like England. Like England, the Israelis decided to fight back and defend themselves, using modern weapons.
For the British, the goal was not to exterminate the German people, it was to destroy Hitler. Civilians were necessarily killed in the attempts to smash the Nazi war machine, because the bombs have not yet been developed that can discriminate between civilians and combatants. And it was widely accepted, and still is accepted today, that because the military goal of destroying Hitler was right, good and just, civilian casualties were accepted as necessary. Even when it comes to the fire bombing of Dresden, which some say was not a military necessity, most people today do not feel sorry for the poor Germans.
Parenthetically, look at the USA's role in the war in Europe. Hitler never bombed any American cities, and he never caused even one single casualty in American soil prior to America's entry into the war - yet, the USAF pulverized Germany and blasted entire cities to rubble with complete indifference to civilian casualties, only because Nazi Germany was PERCEIVED as a threat (and rightly so in my opinion). In the spring of 1945, the firebombing of Tokyo, which caused more civilian deaths than Hiroshima or Nagasaki, was deliberately planned to cause as much damage as possible with a complete indifference to the number of civilian causalties. Was not (according to your standards) the massive US response completely OUT OF PROPORTION to the attack on Pearl Harbor, which killed maybe 2500 people? And the Japanese never expressed the intention of exterminating all of the Americans.
Were FDR and Churchill genocidal war criminals according to your peculiar standard of values? Of course not. The Americans and the Brits can blast their enemies to smithereens, while the Israelis are held to an entirely different standard.
About similarities between Hamas and Hitler and the Nazis, both of those groups, while not absolutely identical, had bizarre and crazy ideologies totally divorced from reality in which a bloodthirsty lust for slaughtering Jews was a central component. Both the Hamas and the Nazi leaderships brought ruin and misery on their countries by senseless and foolish failed attacks on military powers much greater than themselves. Both could have brought lasting peace and prosperity to their countries by abandoning crazy militaristic dreams of conquest.
Hamas has openly stated their desire to destroy Israel, and Israel has every right to destroy them first. If there are civilian casualties, Hamas is directly to blame - and you support and have sympathy for those crazy, bloodthirsty and Nazi like criminals? Israel has made every legitimate effort to minimize civilian casualties - which are inflated for their propaganda value by Hamas.
Israel has a right to exist and it has a right to destroy Hamas.
Transparent evasive tactic, since you are unable to respond to simple facts. Of course FDR and Churchill were not war criminals - they were not Jewish.
The need of Americans to pick a good guy is baffling. The Zionists and their haji dance partners are mirror images of each other, amoral etho-nationalist psychopaths. The only thing I care about is that neither of their cancerous ideologies have a home in America.
Up till now the Zionists have been the bigger problem for America. Having their tentacles on the levers of our foreign policy has been disastrous for us. However, looking at the jihadi appreciation rallies flooding American campuses makes me think our Hebrew friends will soon be our lesser concern.
The need of Americans to pick a good guy is not baffling at all. It is part of human nature to have moral and personal responses to the great issues of the day, and not only when it comes to international relations. Of course, indifference is also a moral choice, and sometimes the right one.
I believe your description of the Zionists and their opponents as mirror images of each other is completely wrong. If you read of the history of Zionism in the second half of the 19th century, it was not amoral or psychopathic for the Jews to realize that they would never be fully accepted in Europe, and that they needed a homeland of their own. Neither was it irrational, amoral, or whatever to decline the options of immigrating to America, or accepting the British Uganda proposal.
For them to want to return to their original homeland (where they had lived for many centuries prior to the final Roman destruction of Israel about one century after Christ) was normal, natural, reasonable, and logical. Or maybe you think the Puritans who came to New England were racist, genocidal imperialistic maniacs who should have stayed in Europe – and do you know what the European settlers did to the Indians who tried to keep them out? They slaughtered them outright, or burned their villages and left them without food, clothing and shelter in the dead of winter, or simply drove them out and forced them onto reservations.
I am not saying this because I think America is no good. That sort of thing has gone all over the world since the beginning of human history. This because we live in a sinful world and I do not look for paradise on this earth. But, you and many others are holding the Jews to moral standards that no one else has ever been held to. And, no doubt the deaths of hundreds of thousands of Arabs in the Lebanese and Syrian civil wars does not concern you in the least, because it did not interfere with your personal comfort and enjoyment of the easy life.
Also, you may or not be one of those who is totally oblivious to historical facts – I have no idea – but before WW1 Turkish Palestine was a backward, undeveloped, poverty-stricken and neglected backwater of the Turkish empire. Turkey had long since left its glory days behind, and was known as “the sick man of Europe.” Its administration was corrupt, incompetent, and in the final stages of collapse.
There was no reason why the Jews should not have gone there, apart from the hardships of living under the Turks. But there was no Palestinian state, had never been a Palestinian state. Nationalism was in fact an imported western concept.
When the numbers of Jews began to increase after the British took control of Palestine, the Arabs began to be worried. They did not want too many Jews coming in and tried to keep them out. They failed. Too bad. I do not feel sorry for them.
Maybe you object to the American settlement of North America. Maybe you think the Europeans should not have settled here, because the land belonged to the Indians. Maybe you think that the entire North American continent should have been left unsettled to this day so it could be like a gigantic game preserve, with Indians wandering around hunting buffalos and living in teepees. And the Palestinians could be living in their little rural villages while the modern world just passed them by.
Some leftist Israelis may wring their hands in agonized guilt, but many Israelis do not care about your opinions. They are not going to up and leave, and they are not going to lie down and allow themselves to be killed. They are going to fight those who want to destroy them, and they have every right to do so.
If you think that Zionism – the belief that the Jews have a right to a state in their biblical homeland – is the same as radical Islamic fundamentalism, you really need to get some more information.
Israel pulled out of Gaza in 2005. In the following 18 years, what did the Palestinian leadership in Gaza do to improve the lives of the Palestinian people there? Nothing. They stole literally hundreds of millions of dollars of foreign aid, and squandered equal amounts in foolish attempts to destroy the greatest military power in the region.
Since 2001, for more than 20 years, many thousands of rocket and mortar attacks have been fired on Israel from Gaza. I suppose if Mexican radicals were whining about the land they used to own in the American southwest, and had been demanding the return on the land we TOOK from them by armed force in the 1840s (not long ago), and had been firing thousands of missiles into Dallas, Fort Worth and Austin, the saintly, wise, and gentle Americans would have responded with endless and futile peace negotiations, and wrung our hands with guilt, and come up with ingenious plans to return some of the land we stole from the Mexicans. Look at all the damage we did in Vietnam, a country that had exactly nothing to do with America’s national survival.
About neither of their cancerous ideologies having a home in America, Zionism was popular with many American Jews from its first beginnings in the late 19th century. What harm did this do to us? None at all. If I were you, I would be more concerned about the cancerous ideologies in our own society, in our own courts, and halls of government, and universities, and national media news rooms, and Hollywood studios, and most of all cancerous ideologies in our own homes.
It is not Zionism that is poisoning American society. And if you dislike all of the rioting that is currently going on, why not blame the US govt.? Why are all violent foreign protestors not immediately rounded up and booted out of the country? Why are not all violent protestors who are students not immediately expelled from their colleges and universities? That would put a quick stop to this crazy nonsense. This has gone far beyond the right to free speech – and it is not Zionism that is to blame for courts that are not enforcing applicable laws.
The problems with America today are not to be blamed on Zionism. They are to be blamed squarely on us, and on our corrupt, decadent, lawless and godless society.
Maybe you think if only Israel did not exist, and there were no Mideast conflicts, America would be a garden of peace, prosperity, and all around happiness. But you have not considered how many of our problems have nothing at all to do with Israel.
You blame America’s foreign policy disasters on the Jews. And when is it, in your opinion, that the Jews got their hands on the levers of power? Was it in WW1? Are the Jews to blame for that? Do you think the Jews were to blame for the defeat of Germany in that war? Or did the mistakes of the German General Staff and the impossibility of standing up against the combined might of France, England the gigantic USA have anything to do with it?
Were the Jews to blame for FDR’s policies? That’s what Hitler said. Maybe you have been studying Mein Kampf. Have you? Hitler thought the Jews were to blame for everything.
Were the Jews to blame for the Vietnam fiasco, or was that native American incompetence which we achieved on our own with no outside help? LBJ had exactly zero foreign policy and military experience. He thought it would be easy to defeat a backward little country like Vietnam.
What about our border situation, our homeless situation, the astonishing decay of cities that not so long ago were prosperous and flourishing?
The first step to a real solution is the complete obliteration of Hamas. Secondly, it is time to stop babying the Palestinians with mountains of foreign aid. They need to learn that they have no other alternative than to accept the existence and the reality of Israel. Thirdly, something has to be done about Iran. Too bad America squandered so much blood, treasure and international credibility on useless foreign adventures in Vietnam, Iraq, the Ukraine and Afghanistan.
At the current rate, the US government is adding 1 Trillion in debt every 100 days. The current interest expenditure on the US debt is 1.1 Trillion this year and it will grow to 1.6 Trillion in 2025. This is the exponential phase of the debt burden. Plus, the FED is trapped because if it lowers interest rates inflation will soar even more than what it is and if the FED raises interest rates then borrowers will not be able to pay interest. The FED is trapped. I saw a chart yesterday that if inflation was calculated the same way it was in the 1980s the real inflation rate is 23.98% not the bull crap they are currently peddling.
There are a lot of people who use the word ‘genocide’ simply because they cannot admit that Hamas screwed the pooch royaly. Killing and rapeing innocent women and children and then hiding behind civilians is a looser tactic. Hamas is a street gang fighting a well led army. All five times at attempted negotiations has led to we will exterminate you and take your country you have built for us. Peace through superior fire power. Always been that way and will always be that way.
Hamas wins by not losing. Hamas is still in Gaza. The IDF has NOT eradicated Hamas as a military or political force. You need to read more alt media and less MSM.
The IDF is a genocidal street gang, or, more accurately the modern day evolution of the Irgun and Stern Gang. Cultist Zio-terrorists. If Jim Jones of the 70’s People’s Temple cult had an army it would look like the IDF.
Nah. Reason, logic etcetera are buried under a mountain of Zio-lies. The real history is available on Unz dot com and other sites. Suggest you take the journey down the rabbit hole. Many of us have.
Many have been forced by the massive weight of the evidence to 180 our belief systems. That’s not easy, but you’re always better off shedding communal fantasy for hard truth.
I looked at Unz dot come and feel there are better sources of information on the Arab Israeli conflict, particularly in the early stages in the late 1800s and early 1900s.
I saw no religious section on the UNZ website, which means it is completely in the dark concerning the deeper dimensions of the existence of the Jewish people and their return to the homeland promised to Abraham's descendants.
I did find this comment in a book review. Unz favorably and seriously reviews a book in which the author "blamed Jewish interests for the totally unnecessary war with Hitler’s Germany, which had long sought good relations with America, but instead had suffered total destruction for its strong opposition to Europe’s Jewish-backed Communist menace." In my opinion that is false and ridiculous.
No, not at all. If Israel created Hamas, they also created the Muslim Brotherhood as Hamas spun off the Brotherhood in 87’ I think. I’m old, been a while since I was there in 79’. Have you been to the area? Very true that Israelis are masters of deception, playing Hamas against Fatah. Of the 3 Divisions in the Muslim faith, which house does Hamas align with? But that is all old school classical thinking. Wondering how good of a shot the Arabs are who volunteered for the IDF? Ever talk to Muslims who are not Palestinians about their Palestinian brothers? Your shtick sounds good, but doesn’t fly. Cheers!
"This is terrible since TikTok was one of the few social media platforms available to US users that is not directly controlled by the ethnic oligarchs who rule the Globalist American Empire."
I'm not a fan of TikTok. It may be an outlet for dissident takes on Gaza, but like Instagram, the endless scroll presentation of short form video of beautiful young bodies is cognitively stunting and emotionally crippling. I see it as a key element in the trans machine that has teenage girls clamoring for double mastectomies. That said, I'm the not the kind of person who thinks something should be suppressed, destroyed, or in this case, seized, just because I don't like it.
I'm curious about the unspecified ethnicity in the phrase, "the ethnic oligarchs who rule the Globalist American Empire."
Anyone care to take a stand, specify the ethnicity, and actually say what they mean?
There is no stand to take, it is a euphemism for the Jewish Oligarchs. I use it to tweak Raven who used to always post ((())) when referring to Jews. It's a bit of an inside joke. You had to be there to really get it. See his comment about it in this thread.
As a resource, I would like you and our colleagues to check out Legalman on Twitter/X and at least check out his podcast, "The Quash". I don't think you'll be disappointed.
DC is the enemy of all that is good....
It was always thus.
https://blog.philosophicalsociety.org/2019/11/29/freemasonry-design-washington-dc/
https://odysee.com/@ScriptedTreason:c/USA-Real-History---The-Hidden-Faith-of-our-Founding-Fathers-Documentary-by-Chris-Pinto:7
[They] know the gig is almost up. All the lower-class luciferian sycophant operatives are trying to grab up every last scrap before the hammer falls. This goes hand-in-hand with the larger plan to drain the middle class of literally everything.
TPTB don't need our money any more. They already own everything. What they don't have, they can take. What they must "buy" they simply launder monies or print it. Here's the thing: they just can't let us have it because people with resources make terrible slaves.
I agree with you re: silver lining. We are reaching the naked plundering stage of empire collapse. The MIC is whispering to Congress that they better vote for the plundering if they want to be in the good graces of the spook state and their armed minions when the wheels finally come off.
Expect the rot to become more in our faces, because there is no longer much profit in hiding it.
Agreed, not only are they whores, they are naked in their greed and self-centeredness.
"naked plundering"
well said and completely accurate
Sadly, both parties are heads of the same evil beast and if we want to see change, we need to start with ourselves. Run for your local offices and support those whose morals are aligned with yours. Chuck Tumor's net worth has more than doubled since Biden was selected for office, yet they use income equality as talking points. ESG's being forced on companies to squeeze the little ones out and then apply DEI to this recipe of disaster. The Protocols of the Elders of Zion a conspiracy theory is playing out right before our eyes.
Apparently most of the Ukraine money is a hidden DoD splurge. Only a fraction is intended directly for Ukraine.
Morg- block me if you want to, but either this is a slightly better explanation of the gomer pyles of congress or it is spin to keep the masses distracted.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-house-votes-for-a-strong-america-mike-johnson-ukraine-israel-taiwan-f6a8bc5e?st=qtne0jqn654qsvt&reflink=article_copyURL_share
Why would I block you, Jeffrey? There is nothing wrong with posting a link to a WSJ article, though it is regime media to me. I scanned it and it seems to be pushing the same bullshit about "the world's dangers." 🙄
The empire is the cause of those dangers. You don't see such paranoia on the part of China or Russia or India. Yet in the US, it's always the same line about how "dangerous" the world is and how many more weapons, etc. the empire needs.
Do any of these people realize that the US is surrounded by two oceans? Nobody is coming over here to invade the place, nor would anybody want to take over what can only be considered a lunatic asylum at this point.
All of the regime media pushes the line about needing more military spending, but that is one of the things that is bringing down the empire. Sooner or later, it will not be able to finance such massive military expenditures.
Thank you. I try to look at issues from as many different perspectives as I can find. I don’t think they will come by ocean, but from the badlands to the south. Maybe or maybe not. 👍
Well, the southern border is wide open. But the invasion isn't from China, Russia, Iran etc. It's people coming in from south and central america, and the government has blessed the invasion and made sure it keeps happening.
I suppose if you were a terrorist or whatever, you would probably go to that border to get into the country. Or maybe Canada, or come in on a boat to the coasts. Plenty of ways to get in if somebody really wants to do it.
Agreed that the linked WSJ article is not to be taken seriously. It plays up the kayfabe competition between the Ds & Rs, thus directing the reader's attention away from the submerged iceberg of collaboration and agreement between the two imperial factions.
WSJ asserts that tens of billions of dollars spent to enable Israel's ongoing assault on the civilian population in Gaza exemplifies the strength and nobility of the US. They have to assert it, because there is no credible argument to be made in support of that conclusion.
History proves whenever a nation goes down, the last thing to happen is they pillage the treasury.
(I remember when we all freaked out over $17 trillion debt.)
They have pillaged our treasury, our strategic petroleum reserves, our food & grain reserves and our military cache. They've also spent the last 3 years firebombing our food supply chain.
All while flooding us with enemy combatents and inciting race, class and sex warfare all across this land.
The "Silver Lining" for me is that this "election" hogwash won't last much longer before we move into the next phase........
Just my thoughts, but if you didn't know better, you'd think that the regime (being ghouls) was working for a necromancer or a lich....
Don't lump us in with them! 😂
Given the “ethnic oligarchs” deep perversion, the cult of victimhood + genocide it is difficult NOT to fall into antisemitism that becomes a doppelgänger of their foul paranoia and hatreds.
This is especially true when facing off in the comments against low info sheeple and Zio-apologists. Perhaps some of the sheeple will read enough Unz and alt media to come round. The confirmed Zios will never break out of their murder-suicide cult.
For those of us focused on reality and the coming catastrophe, Morg’s silver lining and gallows humor are responses that will keep us sane. And I will try not to hate the EOs (ethnic Os) to avoid becoming infected by the demonic forces controlling them.
"The end result will be more dead Palestinians in Gaza as the zionists continue their genocidal rampage."
I hope you don't consider the Allied war against Germany to have been a "genocidal rampage." The RAF and the USAF killed more Germans in one single German city than the Israelis have killed in all the years since 1948.
Hamas has openly vowed to destroy all of the Jews, and Israel is right to crush them in response.
Since people do not fight with bows and arrows any more, civilian casualties are inevitable: ask the Germans, the Vietnamese, the Iraqis and the Afghans.
All of the blame for this war lies squarely on Hamas for its giving a higher priority to slaughtering Jews than to securing the well-being of the Palestinian people, about whom the leaders of Hamas care nothing.
Just think of all of the jobs and housing and educational opportunities that could have been provided if the leaders of Hamas had not stolen hundreds of millions for themselves and squandered millions more on their stupid tunnels.
And why do you think the Egyptians have kept their part of the Gaza border closed? They have had problems with Islamic fundamentalists in the past - as in the assassination of Sadat for his crime of making peace with Israel (Nasser jailed and tortured them for years). Hamas is an offshoot of the Egyptian Islamic Brotherhood and the last thing the Egyptians want is a bunch of bloodthirsty and crazy Hamas murderers running amok in Egypt, murdering tourists or anyone they deem to be insufficiently Islamic.
"I hope you don't consider the Allied war against Germany to have been a "genocidal rampage." The RAF and the USAF killed more Germans in one single German city than the Israelis have killed in all the years since 1948."
When Hamas tanks roll into Paris, you can bring out the World War II comparison.
Obviously, there are differences between WW2 and the current situation in the Middle East. There are always differences in two things or situations being compared. If there were no differences, the two things would be identical.
But, while there are differences, there are profound similarities. For example, Hamas has openly stated its desire to kill all Jews, and against Hezbollah, Hamas and Iran Israel is literally fighting for its survival, like England. Like England, the Israelis decided to fight back and defend themselves, using modern weapons.
For the British, the goal was not to exterminate the German people, it was to destroy Hitler. Civilians were necessarily killed in the attempts to smash the Nazi war machine, because the bombs have not yet been developed that can discriminate between civilians and combatants. And it was widely accepted, and still is accepted today, that because the military goal of destroying Hitler was right, good and just, civilian casualties were accepted as necessary. Even when it comes to the fire bombing of Dresden, which some say was not a military necessity, most people today do not feel sorry for the poor Germans.
Parenthetically, look at the USA's role in the war in Europe. Hitler never bombed any American cities, and he never caused even one single casualty in American soil prior to America's entry into the war - yet, the USAF pulverized Germany and blasted entire cities to rubble with complete indifference to civilian casualties, only because Nazi Germany was PERCEIVED as a threat (and rightly so in my opinion). In the spring of 1945, the firebombing of Tokyo, which caused more civilian deaths than Hiroshima or Nagasaki, was deliberately planned to cause as much damage as possible with a complete indifference to the number of civilian causalties. Was not (according to your standards) the massive US response completely OUT OF PROPORTION to the attack on Pearl Harbor, which killed maybe 2500 people? And the Japanese never expressed the intention of exterminating all of the Americans.
Were FDR and Churchill genocidal war criminals according to your peculiar standard of values? Of course not. The Americans and the Brits can blast their enemies to smithereens, while the Israelis are held to an entirely different standard.
About similarities between Hamas and Hitler and the Nazis, both of those groups, while not absolutely identical, had bizarre and crazy ideologies totally divorced from reality in which a bloodthirsty lust for slaughtering Jews was a central component. Both the Hamas and the Nazi leaderships brought ruin and misery on their countries by senseless and foolish failed attacks on military powers much greater than themselves. Both could have brought lasting peace and prosperity to their countries by abandoning crazy militaristic dreams of conquest.
Hamas has openly stated their desire to destroy Israel, and Israel has every right to destroy them first. If there are civilian casualties, Hamas is directly to blame - and you support and have sympathy for those crazy, bloodthirsty and Nazi like criminals? Israel has made every legitimate effort to minimize civilian casualties - which are inflated for their propaganda value by Hamas.
Israel has a right to exist and it has a right to destroy Hamas.
"Were FDR and Churchill genocidal war criminals according to your peculiar standard of values? Of course not."
You clearly don't need an interlocutor, so carry on.
Transparent evasive tactic, since you are unable to respond to simple facts. Of course FDR and Churchill were not war criminals - they were not Jewish.
The need of Americans to pick a good guy is baffling. The Zionists and their haji dance partners are mirror images of each other, amoral etho-nationalist psychopaths. The only thing I care about is that neither of their cancerous ideologies have a home in America.
Up till now the Zionists have been the bigger problem for America. Having their tentacles on the levers of our foreign policy has been disastrous for us. However, looking at the jihadi appreciation rallies flooding American campuses makes me think our Hebrew friends will soon be our lesser concern.
The need of Americans to pick a good guy is not baffling at all. It is part of human nature to have moral and personal responses to the great issues of the day, and not only when it comes to international relations. Of course, indifference is also a moral choice, and sometimes the right one.
I believe your description of the Zionists and their opponents as mirror images of each other is completely wrong. If you read of the history of Zionism in the second half of the 19th century, it was not amoral or psychopathic for the Jews to realize that they would never be fully accepted in Europe, and that they needed a homeland of their own. Neither was it irrational, amoral, or whatever to decline the options of immigrating to America, or accepting the British Uganda proposal.
For them to want to return to their original homeland (where they had lived for many centuries prior to the final Roman destruction of Israel about one century after Christ) was normal, natural, reasonable, and logical. Or maybe you think the Puritans who came to New England were racist, genocidal imperialistic maniacs who should have stayed in Europe – and do you know what the European settlers did to the Indians who tried to keep them out? They slaughtered them outright, or burned their villages and left them without food, clothing and shelter in the dead of winter, or simply drove them out and forced them onto reservations.
I am not saying this because I think America is no good. That sort of thing has gone all over the world since the beginning of human history. This because we live in a sinful world and I do not look for paradise on this earth. But, you and many others are holding the Jews to moral standards that no one else has ever been held to. And, no doubt the deaths of hundreds of thousands of Arabs in the Lebanese and Syrian civil wars does not concern you in the least, because it did not interfere with your personal comfort and enjoyment of the easy life.
Also, you may or not be one of those who is totally oblivious to historical facts – I have no idea – but before WW1 Turkish Palestine was a backward, undeveloped, poverty-stricken and neglected backwater of the Turkish empire. Turkey had long since left its glory days behind, and was known as “the sick man of Europe.” Its administration was corrupt, incompetent, and in the final stages of collapse.
There was no reason why the Jews should not have gone there, apart from the hardships of living under the Turks. But there was no Palestinian state, had never been a Palestinian state. Nationalism was in fact an imported western concept.
When the numbers of Jews began to increase after the British took control of Palestine, the Arabs began to be worried. They did not want too many Jews coming in and tried to keep them out. They failed. Too bad. I do not feel sorry for them.
Maybe you object to the American settlement of North America. Maybe you think the Europeans should not have settled here, because the land belonged to the Indians. Maybe you think that the entire North American continent should have been left unsettled to this day so it could be like a gigantic game preserve, with Indians wandering around hunting buffalos and living in teepees. And the Palestinians could be living in their little rural villages while the modern world just passed them by.
Some leftist Israelis may wring their hands in agonized guilt, but many Israelis do not care about your opinions. They are not going to up and leave, and they are not going to lie down and allow themselves to be killed. They are going to fight those who want to destroy them, and they have every right to do so.
If you think that Zionism – the belief that the Jews have a right to a state in their biblical homeland – is the same as radical Islamic fundamentalism, you really need to get some more information.
Israel pulled out of Gaza in 2005. In the following 18 years, what did the Palestinian leadership in Gaza do to improve the lives of the Palestinian people there? Nothing. They stole literally hundreds of millions of dollars of foreign aid, and squandered equal amounts in foolish attempts to destroy the greatest military power in the region.
Since 2001, for more than 20 years, many thousands of rocket and mortar attacks have been fired on Israel from Gaza. I suppose if Mexican radicals were whining about the land they used to own in the American southwest, and had been demanding the return on the land we TOOK from them by armed force in the 1840s (not long ago), and had been firing thousands of missiles into Dallas, Fort Worth and Austin, the saintly, wise, and gentle Americans would have responded with endless and futile peace negotiations, and wrung our hands with guilt, and come up with ingenious plans to return some of the land we stole from the Mexicans. Look at all the damage we did in Vietnam, a country that had exactly nothing to do with America’s national survival.
About neither of their cancerous ideologies having a home in America, Zionism was popular with many American Jews from its first beginnings in the late 19th century. What harm did this do to us? None at all. If I were you, I would be more concerned about the cancerous ideologies in our own society, in our own courts, and halls of government, and universities, and national media news rooms, and Hollywood studios, and most of all cancerous ideologies in our own homes.
It is not Zionism that is poisoning American society. And if you dislike all of the rioting that is currently going on, why not blame the US govt.? Why are all violent foreign protestors not immediately rounded up and booted out of the country? Why are not all violent protestors who are students not immediately expelled from their colleges and universities? That would put a quick stop to this crazy nonsense. This has gone far beyond the right to free speech – and it is not Zionism that is to blame for courts that are not enforcing applicable laws.
The problems with America today are not to be blamed on Zionism. They are to be blamed squarely on us, and on our corrupt, decadent, lawless and godless society.
Maybe you think if only Israel did not exist, and there were no Mideast conflicts, America would be a garden of peace, prosperity, and all around happiness. But you have not considered how many of our problems have nothing at all to do with Israel.
You blame America’s foreign policy disasters on the Jews. And when is it, in your opinion, that the Jews got their hands on the levers of power? Was it in WW1? Are the Jews to blame for that? Do you think the Jews were to blame for the defeat of Germany in that war? Or did the mistakes of the German General Staff and the impossibility of standing up against the combined might of France, England the gigantic USA have anything to do with it?
Were the Jews to blame for FDR’s policies? That’s what Hitler said. Maybe you have been studying Mein Kampf. Have you? Hitler thought the Jews were to blame for everything.
Were the Jews to blame for the Vietnam fiasco, or was that native American incompetence which we achieved on our own with no outside help? LBJ had exactly zero foreign policy and military experience. He thought it would be easy to defeat a backward little country like Vietnam.
What about our border situation, our homeless situation, the astonishing decay of cities that not so long ago were prosperous and flourishing?
The first step to a real solution is the complete obliteration of Hamas. Secondly, it is time to stop babying the Palestinians with mountains of foreign aid. They need to learn that they have no other alternative than to accept the existence and the reality of Israel. Thirdly, something has to be done about Iran. Too bad America squandered so much blood, treasure and international credibility on useless foreign adventures in Vietnam, Iraq, the Ukraine and Afghanistan.
This platform is a haven for antisemites and Neo-Nazis.
Leave then. 109 countries plus this thread.
Not Jewish or Christian or Muslim etc etc at all, Adolf. I don't believe in any religious bullshit. I leave that for bigots like you.
Whatever you say, Goering.
Who funds Hamas, you ask?
Israel and the U.S. Taxpayers.
Israel and the U.S. created Hamas.
I think you should be careful what you wish for. American collapse will not be peaceful.
No, it will not, but that will not stop it from happening. 35 trillion in debt, with more debt being added every day will insure it happens.
At the current rate, the US government is adding 1 Trillion in debt every 100 days. The current interest expenditure on the US debt is 1.1 Trillion this year and it will grow to 1.6 Trillion in 2025. This is the exponential phase of the debt burden. Plus, the FED is trapped because if it lowers interest rates inflation will soar even more than what it is and if the FED raises interest rates then borrowers will not be able to pay interest. The FED is trapped. I saw a chart yesterday that if inflation was calculated the same way it was in the 1980s the real inflation rate is 23.98% not the bull crap they are currently peddling.
There are a lot of people who use the word ‘genocide’ simply because they cannot admit that Hamas screwed the pooch royaly. Killing and rapeing innocent women and children and then hiding behind civilians is a looser tactic. Hamas is a street gang fighting a well led army. All five times at attempted negotiations has led to we will exterminate you and take your country you have built for us. Peace through superior fire power. Always been that way and will always be that way.
Israel invented Hamas and both Israel and the U.S. fund them to the tune of BILLION$.
You're spinning your brain too hard.
It's ALL a managed show.
Hamas wins by not losing. Hamas is still in Gaza. The IDF has NOT eradicated Hamas as a military or political force. You need to read more alt media and less MSM.
The IDF is a genocidal street gang, or, more accurately the modern day evolution of the Irgun and Stern Gang. Cultist Zio-terrorists. If Jim Jones of the 70’s People’s Temple cult had an army it would look like the IDF.
Some people have got this thing about Jews and Israel that defies common sense. Reason, logic, history, facts and evidence are completely irrelevant.
Nah. Reason, logic etcetera are buried under a mountain of Zio-lies. The real history is available on Unz dot com and other sites. Suggest you take the journey down the rabbit hole. Many of us have.
Many have been forced by the massive weight of the evidence to 180 our belief systems. That’s not easy, but you’re always better off shedding communal fantasy for hard truth.
I looked at Unz dot come and feel there are better sources of information on the Arab Israeli conflict, particularly in the early stages in the late 1800s and early 1900s.
I saw no religious section on the UNZ website, which means it is completely in the dark concerning the deeper dimensions of the existence of the Jewish people and their return to the homeland promised to Abraham's descendants.
I did find this comment in a book review. Unz favorably and seriously reviews a book in which the author "blamed Jewish interests for the totally unnecessary war with Hitler’s Germany, which had long sought good relations with America, but instead had suffered total destruction for its strong opposition to Europe’s Jewish-backed Communist menace." In my opinion that is false and ridiculous.
https://www.unz.com/runz/prof-john-beaty-and-the-true-origin-of-the-jews/
The true origin of the Jews begins with God's call to Abraham.
I pray they do.
No, not at all. If Israel created Hamas, they also created the Muslim Brotherhood as Hamas spun off the Brotherhood in 87’ I think. I’m old, been a while since I was there in 79’. Have you been to the area? Very true that Israelis are masters of deception, playing Hamas against Fatah. Of the 3 Divisions in the Muslim faith, which house does Hamas align with? But that is all old school classical thinking. Wondering how good of a shot the Arabs are who volunteered for the IDF? Ever talk to Muslims who are not Palestinians about their Palestinian brothers? Your shtick sounds good, but doesn’t fly. Cheers!
"This is terrible since TikTok was one of the few social media platforms available to US users that is not directly controlled by the ethnic oligarchs who rule the Globalist American Empire."
I'm not a fan of TikTok. It may be an outlet for dissident takes on Gaza, but like Instagram, the endless scroll presentation of short form video of beautiful young bodies is cognitively stunting and emotionally crippling. I see it as a key element in the trans machine that has teenage girls clamoring for double mastectomies. That said, I'm the not the kind of person who thinks something should be suppressed, destroyed, or in this case, seized, just because I don't like it.
I'm curious about the unspecified ethnicity in the phrase, "the ethnic oligarchs who rule the Globalist American Empire."
Anyone care to take a stand, specify the ethnicity, and actually say what they mean?
There is no stand to take, it is a euphemism for the Jewish Oligarchs. I use it to tweak Raven who used to always post ((())) when referring to Jews. It's a bit of an inside joke. You had to be there to really get it. See his comment about it in this thread.
As a resource, I would like you and our colleagues to check out Legalman on Twitter/X and at least check out his podcast, "The Quash". I don't think you'll be disappointed.
Is this the guy? https://x.com/UScrimeReview/status/742456972859957248
Yes, that's him. His podcast is great. He absolutely goes off on the "Con cons". The Conservative media pundits (Levin).
https://castbox.fm/channel/The-Quash-id2993199?country=us
I use Castbox, but I am sure it can be found elsewhere.
Jone's Plantation is the Indy Movie they made. It is also quite intresting.
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