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No democrat has had the interests of the working class since maybe Johnson in the 60's. They talk about it, but they never do it, so fuck Carville. And neither has had any Republican. None. The only coalition of working class people put together since Johnson, and maybe Nixon, was put together by Trump. Reagan sold out the working class, as did Clinton. The only leader to articulate working class issues besides mealymouth union bullshit is Trump. He's not even in office and you're talking Impeachment? Who exactly is going to put together a winning coalition of the working class once you impeach Trump? I'm not saying things will be perfect or even good, but I've waited a lifetime for this possibility, I can wait a little more. Engendering suspicion of Trump right now ain't gonna help anyone.

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I liked your post because you are obviously passionate about your position. I hope you are right and I am wrong. Nothing would please me more. As far as "engendering suspicion" goes, I disagree there. What I wrote about him being impeached is likely to happen if the Dems get the House again. They've done it twice before, and thrice pays for all as they say. So I don't think it was unreasonable to mention that possibility.

Also, I disagree with coddling Trump or cowtowing to his personality cult. His feet must be held to the fire and he must be criticized when he goes wrong. For now, he has the benefit of the doubt since he is not yet in office. But many are watching to see what he does.

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Working class people love Trump for his policies, just find one and ask. The cult of personality BS is a democrat talking point. As far as coddling, what the hell are you talking about? His first administration was pure hell, constant attacks—and since then two assassination attempts, really? Coddling? You sound like a disgruntled Desantis supporter. If Trump does’t execute, the whole point of his movement is lost. The main thing we need right now is unity and action to pressure representatives and senators who get in the way. How many phone calls have you made?

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Clinton did have a great record when it came to getting illegal aliens out of the country:

https://ohss.dhs.gov/topics/immigration/yearbook/2019/table39

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Clinton sealed the deal on deindustrialization, sold globalism to the working class. Nothing else matters.

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At this point in American political evolution, Carville has more in common with Cassandra than Machiavelli. To the Uniparty elites he is a voice in the wilderness of politics past, even though like Cassandra he knows the future, but none will listen. Trump’s battle will be with the Rights congenital inability to govern once given the power to do so. While the Democrats are Borg like in their slavish conformity to groupthink ideology, the Republicans are more like the Tower of Babel, all speaking different languages, yet calling it conservatism.

We will know in very short order what the next two years looks like based solely on the Republican majority Senate’s action on his nominations , and if they understand what time it is based on the public reaction to the “business as usual” House CR going down in flames in 24 hours. With Elon on board he has the largest bully pulpit in history to communicate directly to the voters and bypass the K Street cartel to bend the Uniparty to his will, if he chooses to.

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Agree about Carville. He is old but knows what's what enough still to pinpoint why the Dems went down in flames. But, unfortunately for him, the woke mental cases still control the party, and he's too old to put up much of a fight, even if he wanted to do so.

Also agree on the Republicans and governing. If there's a way to screw it up, they will find it. But if they do so and lose Trump's voters, then they will lose both houses of Congress in 2026.

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Perhaps Trump is actually fighting for his legacy. If he really wants to be regaled as a historic agent of change, maybe he should let's his ego guide him. That's why I believe that Musk and Trump are comrades. Both actually believe that they will be historical figures, written about for the ages. Only time will tell.

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How do you arrive at the supposition that Elon will lead him to betray his working class base? If anyone has an understanding of them, it’s Elon, maybe even more than Trump. He employs many of these people. He gets it. His rhetoric has been clear for these folks.

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Elon is the world's richest man, and I don't see how he can relate at this point to poor and working-class people. However, it might be that I have missed some of his posts about that topic on X. If so, please feel free to share any you have come across. I don't want to be too negative about Elon, I'm glad he's on Trump's team, but I don't trust him past a certain point either.

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Carville is a mental case.

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Disagree, Susan. He is old and he rants sometimes, but he is still shrewd and savvy enough to understand why the Democrats lost. In that sense, he's way out ahead of most of the people running that party that simply accuse the voters who didn't vote for their candidates of racism, phobia, etc.

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Trump was outmaneuvered by the Reaganoids last time. This time he is playing politics 102: Personnel is Policy.

We can rely on Elon to fight against wokeness. Elon is a refugee from a country that is in decline due to affirmative action. He also got sued for over a hundred million dollars over some trash talk on the factory floor.

Cutting the deficit is good for the working class and entrepreneurs. Deficit spending is a price support system for the already rich.

Alas, I don't think Trump will do what really needs to be done: increase taxes on the rich while also cutting government spending. (I will be writing a Rule on this subject this spring, or maybe late winter.)

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Could go either way, but in the meantime Japan & France are dedollarizing (and dumping US debt & bonds), and China is outsourcing jobs now to Spain, which is going to soon recover economically and is resolved to go with China. And now Germany's getting angry again and as they want their independence (again), it's gonna be a hard-sell to them, when they'd prefer a Russian energy alliance.

Trump messed up when he snubbed Ishiba, and Japan's populace are going over to pro-China anti-America populism as they seem to be sick of the occupation. I've been maintaining an eye on their elections, most ridings and city seats are going over to anti-American, pro-China hawks who don't want to be part of the Empire.

In terms of the Empire, Trump's got his work cut out for him. The vassals are tired, and threatening to tariff us is what pushed Japan, France & Spain over the edge. I think the problem is what is needed is the velvet glove and to dissolve NATO. I don't know if Trump has it in him.

At this point the vassals have been broken and abused far worse than America these past 20 years, and they're chaffing. It is very worrisome, and here and over on Twitter I keep seeing Japanese and Europeans bitching and moaning and pushing for their independence. Irl I hear a lot more complaining by Canadians and even a lot of anger.

Trump has the hearts and minds of America, but we'll see how the Vassals feel in a little bit.

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Morg, Carville is an idiot. But further, you are missing the fact that top 1% of earners pay 46% of ALL Federal income tax and the top 5% of earners pay just short of 70% of ALL Federal income tax. So it is impossible to adjust the tax code without impacting the people who are paying most of the tax.

Further, over 40% of individuals pay NO Federal income tax. How much lower can they go?

Giving people more opportunity to invest their money in ANYTHING other than the government will make everyone richer -- they will invest in things that lift everyone up. In addition, the overhang on the lower-paid workers is largely the overwhelming administrative state bloat that drives up the cost of everything and drives no value. If Trump/DOGE can do something with this abomination, that will help everyone, but the lower-paid tiers will be helped disproportionately...which is great.

2018 and 2019 were the best economic years for all income bands in the past 50 years. It is because some of this works. I have to assume/hope that it will continue. The Democrats at no time in the past 50 years can point at ANYTHING other than word salad that they have provided to improve the lot of the lower tier (or for that matter, until Obama, the upper tier) groups.

Most of the Democrat muttering is just through and through lies (as are most words uttered by most politicians). Take a look at the blue cities (and you're talking to a long-time Democrat and blue city dweller here) and you see where their policies actually lead.

Trump may be a bust -- most politicians are. But I really believe (I could be wrong) that the populace has awakened to the fact that most of the utterances of both parties are dross. (Witness the amazing response to the CR that wasn't.) So hope springs eternal.

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