The old narratives about World War 2 are fading away, and a new critical eye is being cast onto the events of those times. Will the historical record ever be the same?
And in the last 70 years at least, many of those losses have mostly fallen on the shoulders of the less advantaged people in the countries. Somehow, the generals and the policy makers’ children never seem to have to pay that price.
Yes, Bob Dylan’s song ‘Masters of War’ mentions the generals. I always give it a listen when I get pissed off about the generals and policymakers making war. I especially love the ending of the song.
“Europa” and “Hitler: The Greatest Story Never Told” both on bitchute, paint a very different picture of WW2. Plus Operation Paperclip and the nazi exodus to Argentina and Antarctica, etc. So much coming out that isn’t in the history books.
And high time of it. My dad was in WW2. A medic, Italian front. Landed at Anzio, fought at Cassino and up the boot. Absolutely hated the army. Came out of it with contempt for the army, the government and all its claims of virtue. He admired the Germans. Went to grad school there after the war. Never spoke about it, but to say that I’d never know what happened, but what “they” were telling me was bullshit.
Lincoln is the absolute worst. The Republic died at Appomattox, the man of blood’s knife in its back. Lincoln, who imported Irish and Germans to kill Southerners whose ancestors fought with Washington and carved the first settlements out of the wilderness. A thoroughly despicable corporate lawyer with a sure nose for power, a hypocrite of the first class and a “party man” — dedicated to obtaining and maintaining power for the GOP — on par with Lenin.
Lenin electrified the villages. Stalin collectivized the farms and created heavy industry. Progress!!
Eloquence means Lincoln was more adept at bullshitting and fooling people, all of which helped Stanton, Stevens etc (not to mention the neocons like Jaffa) create the myth of Liberatin’ Abe and his imported freedumb fighters.
Historian Anthony Chaikin writes about an "American System " of protective tariffs, national banks not tied to England and internal improvements (railroads,etc.) that Lincoln personified. Puts him in a different light.
An often underrated factor in WWII was the US lend lease program with Stalin. The material aid they provided was the deciding factor in the ability of the Soviet Union to withstand the early catastrophic losses they suffered without collapsing.
Additionally we often PREFERENTIALLY gave material to Stalin that OUR military was asking for. Need a much closer look at Hopkins who was instrumental in this.
Churchill wasn't just a fat drunk. He was a legendary drunk. Anybody who drinks at least a quart of brandy a day deserves at least a tip o' the hat, eh?
But he's not the #1 drunk of his time. That honor must go to Josef Stalin, who once drank Churchill under the table. Now HE was one impressive drinker, you gotta admit.
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When I was in my late teens, I read a WW2 bio book by BH Liddell Hart. That helped to regulate the propaganda.
I remember growing up around a lot of veterans (WW2, Korea) who routinely said things like FDR let Pearl Harbor happen on purpose, that the entirety of the Vietnam war was complete bullpoop.
I think this idea that all of us have consumed this WW 2 agitprop without question is yet another bullcrap media creation.
But what do I know? I got all A's in history as a kid, which most likely means I know jack shit!
I wrote a college book report on "Other Losses" by Bacque, which told the history of Eisenhower's genocidal Rhine Meadows camp post-WWII, in which over a million Germans were left to perish without shelter or warmth. The Allied "leaders" were evil, which this book made very clear. My shitlib teacher hated what I discovered and complained about the book's contents, but he had to give me extra credit for doing the report, so I got the last laugh.
I wasn't allowed to vote (I lost track on the paid subs on and off thing after a while). Anyway.....just to say yes, Churchill seems to have been an absolute ba*tard. Though you would be slayed if you tried to say that on legacy media here. A few years back, I was doing some family tree research in my home town in Ireland, and the local tourist office happened to be putting on an exhibition of memorabilia from the Great War that Irish soldiers had brought back, or sometimes wartime records of soldiers from the town. Amazingly enough, the researcher recognised my family name and was able to take me straight to a photograph of a giant monument which was covered in what were the names and ranks and regiments of the soldiers who had died at this location. My great, great uncle's name was shown there on a zoomed-in photograph of that part of the obelisk. The monument is in Gallipoli. Churchill, What an absolute ba*tard. Dresden as well. Monster.
I don't use apps, so just on my PC or tablet on web. Funny, sometimes it seems to work, others not. I see a lot of people saying they are unable to "like" comments, so maybe some incompatibility with some browsers or something. No matter anyway. I have been bunging you a few quid on BMAC every month anyway(when I remember!). So I guess you have paid subs back on then, permanently?
Maybe bugs then? Substack seems to have them sometimes, even on the web version. Yes, I turned on paid subs a while back as I comped people but the comps got turned off when I turned off the paid subs and I would have lost track of everyone I comped, and would never have been able to know who was who if I’d left the paid subs off.
When I was told to research what happened at Dresden and make sure I included books by Irving in the research. That totally changed my perception of where I am from. Churchill got Roosevelt to agree to immolate Dresden for no other reason than to show Stalin that they too had the capacity to be brutal without remorse. Everyone at the time knew Dresden was no longer the manufacturing area it was at the start of the war and was nothing more than a triage area where the wounded gathered to be truxked to hospitals due to the railways being destroyed just outside the city limits. Even more fucked was that there were allied wounded there as well as German. No warning just a blitzkrieg of incendiary bombs which would ignite the air into 1500 degree + inferno. Let alone the bombs that were filled with essentially what napalm is (gasoline mixed with laundry powder until it forms a jelly like consistency so when it hits something it sticks to it and has the flash point of gasoline. Really really nasty fucked product to use against personell.)
No other reason that to prove to Stalin who both men were enamored with that they could be as brutal as Stalin was. We know Roosevelt was a commie and His bitch wife who had over 800 soviet agents working in their administration. Not sure about Churchill but I bet he had something similar.
Oh here's another interesting tidbit of bullshit you guys may want to look into for fun. Research photos of Nazi camp atrocities which were actually photos of Soviet military which were altered so that the offending subject in the photo was made to be a German. Irs about 85-90% of all supposed camp atrocities where Germans were accused and those are what we have in the national archives. The soviets were the original photoshop gurus. I can say this without worry because they have never been proven that those actually were not soviets committing the atrocities.
Something that Putin actually gave the world in one of his purges of soviet Era documents and state secrets which were released to the public.
Stalin won ww2 thanks to Roosevelt, who despised Churchill and who only wanted to rob Britain of the empire. Which the U.S. did. And the world promptly went to shit. As an “imperial power” the U.S. is the worst. But the Bolsheviks who came to the U.S. have done quite well.
Only figures I like from WWII are General DeGaulle and General Philippe, the heroes who saved France along with Patton. Oh and all the 'Unknown Warriors' who fought bravely, they do deserve credit for their heroism, at least those who fought in Africa, France, parts of Asia & Italy.
I won't mention Germany as Dresden still remains something I'm sore about, same goes for the firebombing of Tokyo, and nuking of Hiroshima and Nagasaki (totally unnecessary).
Dunno why I wasn't alerted to this article's appearance earlier, I'm subbed to you and I never saw one single restack of this awesome essay of yours Morg. UGH.
Ike was a traitor, who did more to help facilitate the current system we live in, note how the Industrial complex he warned about never sought to do him harm even as they murdered Patton. Coincidence? And what did he do to save France? He threw hundreds of thousands of lives away in Normandie, when he could have landed elsewhere at less costs in terms of lives and won a sure-fire strategic victory with greater ease, maybe in Bretagne or Aquitaine, while linking up his forces more with the French resistance that had so troubled the Nazis?
Besides, DeGaulle & Philippe liberated Africa, and invaded Italy with Patton, and thus forced the Nazis to be stretched utterly thin. Thus enabling D-Day. Without the heroics of the French, the Nazis would have been able to concentrate their forces west and thus repel ‘Ike’. All this while the likes of Philippe and Patton led from pretty much the front whilst Ike hid in America and England.
Got you there. But also, yes there’s more, is there anything wrong with speaking German? Better German than Punjab, which is the language the Globalists are pushing on us right now. Not that it’ll matter. In a generation, you Americans will likely be speaking Spanish given the current rate of invasion (Spanish is a noble language by the way, one I quite like). Meanwhile we French will be speaking Francais rather than Spanish.
Also if I may; what victories have you personally accomplished? What have you done other than rail against the English, the French and so on, online?
Many Americans are as fierce as Patton, and as great and mighty as Robert E. Lee, or as philosophically deep as Robert E. Howard. You I supect are no E. Lee, no Patton, and no Howard, but rather another example of a disgrace to the America that birthed these great giants of your history and so many others. Think before you speak. Think and read, and study history before you lecture your betters.
I mean, Darryl Cooper is an historian the way Jeffrey Dahmer was a Michelin-starred chef, but to take one tiny point you raise, how would Churchill have made peace with Hitler and stopped the Second World War before it started given that he was a backbench MP until 3 September 1939? (Oh, and Hitler was going to start a war, by the way. That’s nailed on, as the only way he could achieve his aims.)
The only reason Churchill went to war was because Hitler told Downing St to piss off. The legal reason England went to war was to try and get back the scraps Downing St gave Germany during and after worlld war one. Downing St. Funds both sides of every war so they never lose. Yes same family rothchilds, and their other kin. But we aren't Allowed to discuss them. Still donr know why considering God only speaks to them and no one else
Regardless, the legal reason for going to war was what I said. To reclaim monies given to Germany after the first war that Germany reneged on the agreement as it put Germany at the mercy of other nations. Not because of anything Germany did against England, or for Danzig or Czechosovakia. To recover lost money from Downing St.
A brilliant book in the spirit of this piece is, The Many Not The Few: The Stolen History Of The Battle Of Britain, by Richard North. It makes your blood boil.
The older I get the more I am against war, unless DIRECTLY attacked. We’ve lost many good young men in senseless, useless wars.
And in the last 70 years at least, many of those losses have mostly fallen on the shoulders of the less advantaged people in the countries. Somehow, the generals and the policy makers’ children never seem to have to pay that price.
Yes, Bob Dylan’s song ‘Masters of War’ mentions the generals. I always give it a listen when I get pissed off about the generals and policymakers making war. I especially love the ending of the song.
Agree
I think history should be continuously re-examined, and if needed, the truth should always be told.
“Europa” and “Hitler: The Greatest Story Never Told” both on bitchute, paint a very different picture of WW2. Plus Operation Paperclip and the nazi exodus to Argentina and Antarctica, etc. So much coming out that isn’t in the history books.
Thank you for this tidbit.
Did you make it all the way through Europa? I wish I had dozens of hours, lol.
I did twice, a few years apart. Need to go again though - too info dense to absorb it all.
And high time of it. My dad was in WW2. A medic, Italian front. Landed at Anzio, fought at Cassino and up the boot. Absolutely hated the army. Came out of it with contempt for the army, the government and all its claims of virtue. He admired the Germans. Went to grad school there after the war. Never spoke about it, but to say that I’d never know what happened, but what “they” were telling me was bullshit.
Nobody’s perfect, but he made it to 92. Most drunks die at a young age.
I too was once part of the Churchill cult, and the Lincoln cult.
Lincoln is the absolute worst. The Republic died at Appomattox, the man of blood’s knife in its back. Lincoln, who imported Irish and Germans to kill Southerners whose ancestors fought with Washington and carved the first settlements out of the wilderness. A thoroughly despicable corporate lawyer with a sure nose for power, a hypocrite of the first class and a “party man” — dedicated to obtaining and maintaining power for the GOP — on par with Lenin.
What about the transcontinental railroad? And working with other countries on bootstrap projects to build economies? Not to mention his eloquence.
Lenin electrified the villages. Stalin collectivized the farms and created heavy industry. Progress!!
Eloquence means Lincoln was more adept at bullshitting and fooling people, all of which helped Stanton, Stevens etc (not to mention the neocons like Jaffa) create the myth of Liberatin’ Abe and his imported freedumb fighters.
Historian Anthony Chaikin writes about an "American System " of protective tariffs, national banks not tied to England and internal improvements (railroads,etc.) that Lincoln personified. Puts him in a different light.
Y’all are welcome to him, to be honest. “Internal improvements” — plenty of those to be sure. I’m just not a fan. To each his own tho.
An often underrated factor in WWII was the US lend lease program with Stalin. The material aid they provided was the deciding factor in the ability of the Soviet Union to withstand the early catastrophic losses they suffered without collapsing.
Additionally we often PREFERENTIALLY gave material to Stalin that OUR military was asking for. Need a much closer look at Hopkins who was instrumental in this.
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Churchill wasn't just a fat drunk. He was a legendary drunk. Anybody who drinks at least a quart of brandy a day deserves at least a tip o' the hat, eh?
But he's not the #1 drunk of his time. That honor must go to Josef Stalin, who once drank Churchill under the table. Now HE was one impressive drinker, you gotta admit.
When I was in my late teens, I read a WW2 bio book by BH Liddell Hart. That helped to regulate the propaganda.
I remember growing up around a lot of veterans (WW2, Korea) who routinely said things like FDR let Pearl Harbor happen on purpose, that the entirety of the Vietnam war was complete bullpoop.
I think this idea that all of us have consumed this WW 2 agitprop without question is yet another bullcrap media creation.
But what do I know? I got all A's in history as a kid, which most likely means I know jack shit!
I wrote a college book report on "Other Losses" by Bacque, which told the history of Eisenhower's genocidal Rhine Meadows camp post-WWII, in which over a million Germans were left to perish without shelter or warmth. The Allied "leaders" were evil, which this book made very clear. My shitlib teacher hated what I discovered and complained about the book's contents, but he had to give me extra credit for doing the report, so I got the last laugh.
Don't know about evil, but definitely more ruthless than history alleges. Evil describes the US government's actions re: covid, however in my opinion.
Excellent stuff Morgthorak. I would add that David Irving is essential reading on this topic.
I wasn't allowed to vote (I lost track on the paid subs on and off thing after a while). Anyway.....just to say yes, Churchill seems to have been an absolute ba*tard. Though you would be slayed if you tried to say that on legacy media here. A few years back, I was doing some family tree research in my home town in Ireland, and the local tourist office happened to be putting on an exhibition of memorabilia from the Great War that Irish soldiers had brought back, or sometimes wartime records of soldiers from the town. Amazingly enough, the researcher recognised my family name and was able to take me straight to a photograph of a giant monument which was covered in what were the names and ranks and regiments of the soldiers who had died at this location. My great, great uncle's name was shown there on a zoomed-in photograph of that part of the obelisk. The monument is in Gallipoli. Churchill, What an absolute ba*tard. Dresden as well. Monster.
You don’t need a paid sub to vote. Are you on the app or web? You should be able to vote if you are a subscriber, regardless of paid or not.
I don't use apps, so just on my PC or tablet on web. Funny, sometimes it seems to work, others not. I see a lot of people saying they are unable to "like" comments, so maybe some incompatibility with some browsers or something. No matter anyway. I have been bunging you a few quid on BMAC every month anyway(when I remember!). So I guess you have paid subs back on then, permanently?
Maybe bugs then? Substack seems to have them sometimes, even on the web version. Yes, I turned on paid subs a while back as I comped people but the comps got turned off when I turned off the paid subs and I would have lost track of everyone I comped, and would never have been able to know who was who if I’d left the paid subs off.
Thanks for BMAC tips! 👍🏻
When I was told to research what happened at Dresden and make sure I included books by Irving in the research. That totally changed my perception of where I am from. Churchill got Roosevelt to agree to immolate Dresden for no other reason than to show Stalin that they too had the capacity to be brutal without remorse. Everyone at the time knew Dresden was no longer the manufacturing area it was at the start of the war and was nothing more than a triage area where the wounded gathered to be truxked to hospitals due to the railways being destroyed just outside the city limits. Even more fucked was that there were allied wounded there as well as German. No warning just a blitzkrieg of incendiary bombs which would ignite the air into 1500 degree + inferno. Let alone the bombs that were filled with essentially what napalm is (gasoline mixed with laundry powder until it forms a jelly like consistency so when it hits something it sticks to it and has the flash point of gasoline. Really really nasty fucked product to use against personell.)
No other reason that to prove to Stalin who both men were enamored with that they could be as brutal as Stalin was. We know Roosevelt was a commie and His bitch wife who had over 800 soviet agents working in their administration. Not sure about Churchill but I bet he had something similar.
Oh here's another interesting tidbit of bullshit you guys may want to look into for fun. Research photos of Nazi camp atrocities which were actually photos of Soviet military which were altered so that the offending subject in the photo was made to be a German. Irs about 85-90% of all supposed camp atrocities where Germans were accused and those are what we have in the national archives. The soviets were the original photoshop gurus. I can say this without worry because they have never been proven that those actually were not soviets committing the atrocities.
Something that Putin actually gave the world in one of his purges of soviet Era documents and state secrets which were released to the public.
Stalin won ww2 thanks to Roosevelt, who despised Churchill and who only wanted to rob Britain of the empire. Which the U.S. did. And the world promptly went to shit. As an “imperial power” the U.S. is the worst. But the Bolsheviks who came to the U.S. have done quite well.
Pretty much as far as I can tell
I would be a fat drunk too if I had so many soldiers killed in WWI because of my stupidity and arrogance…
Only figures I like from WWII are General DeGaulle and General Philippe, the heroes who saved France along with Patton. Oh and all the 'Unknown Warriors' who fought bravely, they do deserve credit for their heroism, at least those who fought in Africa, France, parts of Asia & Italy.
I won't mention Germany as Dresden still remains something I'm sore about, same goes for the firebombing of Tokyo, and nuking of Hiroshima and Nagasaki (totally unnecessary).
Dunno why I wasn't alerted to this article's appearance earlier, I'm subbed to you and I never saw one single restack of this awesome essay of yours Morg. UGH.
I do not know why you didn’t see it. Could be the algo or something.
Maybe, ugh I’ll have to from now on take a few minutes everyday to look up your stack then.
Those two are surrender monkeys…nothing more. Pretty sure Ike saved your country from perpetually speaking German the 2nd go round. Classic!!
Ike was a traitor, who did more to help facilitate the current system we live in, note how the Industrial complex he warned about never sought to do him harm even as they murdered Patton. Coincidence? And what did he do to save France? He threw hundreds of thousands of lives away in Normandie, when he could have landed elsewhere at less costs in terms of lives and won a sure-fire strategic victory with greater ease, maybe in Bretagne or Aquitaine, while linking up his forces more with the French resistance that had so troubled the Nazis?
Besides, DeGaulle & Philippe liberated Africa, and invaded Italy with Patton, and thus forced the Nazis to be stretched utterly thin. Thus enabling D-Day. Without the heroics of the French, the Nazis would have been able to concentrate their forces west and thus repel ‘Ike’. All this while the likes of Philippe and Patton led from pretty much the front whilst Ike hid in America and England.
Got you there. But also, yes there’s more, is there anything wrong with speaking German? Better German than Punjab, which is the language the Globalists are pushing on us right now. Not that it’ll matter. In a generation, you Americans will likely be speaking Spanish given the current rate of invasion (Spanish is a noble language by the way, one I quite like). Meanwhile we French will be speaking Francais rather than Spanish.
Also if I may; what victories have you personally accomplished? What have you done other than rail against the English, the French and so on, online?
Many Americans are as fierce as Patton, and as great and mighty as Robert E. Lee, or as philosophically deep as Robert E. Howard. You I supect are no E. Lee, no Patton, and no Howard, but rather another example of a disgrace to the America that birthed these great giants of your history and so many others. Think before you speak. Think and read, and study history before you lecture your betters.
lol. You’re still a “less than in society “ and a collective of surrender monkeys.
You write a lot of BS. I’ll make it short here. None of your statements are true or accurate. You seem highly ignorant.
I mean, Darryl Cooper is an historian the way Jeffrey Dahmer was a Michelin-starred chef, but to take one tiny point you raise, how would Churchill have made peace with Hitler and stopped the Second World War before it started given that he was a backbench MP until 3 September 1939? (Oh, and Hitler was going to start a war, by the way. That’s nailed on, as the only way he could achieve his aims.)
In what sense the “legal reason”? The declaration of war on 3 September was explicitly about Poland.
The only reason Churchill went to war was because Hitler told Downing St to piss off. The legal reason England went to war was to try and get back the scraps Downing St gave Germany during and after worlld war one. Downing St. Funds both sides of every war so they never lose. Yes same family rothchilds, and their other kin. But we aren't Allowed to discuss them. Still donr know why considering God only speaks to them and no one else
Churchill didn’t go to war. The war had started before Chamberlain brought him into the War Cabinet on 3 September.
Regardless, the legal reason for going to war was what I said. To reclaim monies given to Germany after the first war that Germany reneged on the agreement as it put Germany at the mercy of other nations. Not because of anything Germany did against England, or for Danzig or Czechosovakia. To recover lost money from Downing St.
A brilliant book in the spirit of this piece is, The Many Not The Few: The Stolen History Of The Battle Of Britain, by Richard North. It makes your blood boil.