Certain signs do not bode well for Trump's campaign; he might be heading for a repeat of his 2020 election loss due to a refusal to target White male voters
I know, the pandering is sickening. He's so desperate to appear "not racist" that he just ends up looking like a fool. And some of the White males watching this are likely pissed he didn't mention them at all. The minority pandering is going to cost him again, wait and see.
I had planned to vote for Trump after Butler, before that there were no plans to vote as I don't believe our vote counts at the federal level anymore. Besides that they stole 2020 so what's to stop them from doing it again?
Trump absolutely turned his back on the people who put him in power in 2016 and if I do vote for him this time it'll be as another middle finger to the left and a desire to turn out in such numbers that it's impossible to steal this election.
I would say that President Commie LaWhorish is a pipe dream but after 2 Obama terms have learned to never discredit the possibility as outlandish. I think ultimately it doesn't matter who wins, the nation is headed for a divorce and eventually it'll be a reality. I dare say some will go the accelerationist route and vote for Harris and others like her in order to bring it about sooner rather than later.
Who gives a fleekin schiesta about white males. All they do is work, hunt and dream of a balanced & blueprinted 351 Cleveland. They don’t need Trumpy blowing smoke up their ass. He needs the black, Hispanic and female vote period. White guys are not going to let this one go because Trump doesn’t give them a woody. Polls mean nothing, just a snapshot in time. Go vote then have a cold one.
I hope you are right, Jeffrey. It will be very interesting to see the numbers breakdown after the election. If he loses, don't be surprised if his White male numbers declined from 2020 too.
2016 was a fluke. In 2024 there is no way in hell the Jewish donor class will let him say honest things about the plight of the white working poor on the wage/debt slavery hamster wheel. Until that root problem of AIPAC and other rich Jews funding our pols is addressed we will slide every further down into shitlib ruin.
HE's probably been advised that if he says White jobs, then the MSN will have a field day going on about "white superemacy" or "white nationalsim" and it'll be on the View and all the late night chat show hosts and all the normies will be like "ohhhh my gooooddd."
Whatever he says will be clipped and will make it's way around the internet, you know it and I know it. IT'll be lied about by pricks like the Krassensteins.
I think we're all (as in White people) smart enough to know that there will be jobs for White people even if he doesn't explicitly say it.
I agree with your analysis of Trump and his treatment of his White voter base. I watched a clip of him from a speech he delivered to the Black Congressional Congress where he told them that Blacks were responsible for building America. His pandering to them was off the charts.
I most likely will vote for him in November. He is the best choice of exceptionally bad choices. My expectation is that he will repair little of the damage our politicians have done and most likely will forget any promises of deportations or fixing our immigration issues. Electing him, however will most likely slow down America's inevitable decline and buy those of us that are aware a little more time to develop options for survival.
Had no idea this was going on, I still think Trump will win but that's more a 65% certainty not 100% and I've no direct dog in the fight. I still hope he'll win if only for a reprieve for all of us for four years and to completely derail and shatter the 2030 agenda, but if Trump loses he's got himself to blame. I only hope the Alaska and Texas Independence movements go hard at that point.
Can’t really factor in 2020 election numbers if the irregularities produced an invalid result. Jobs are not color dependent. Character is and always will be. Some voters have more character than others.
Keith Woods is one of the OGs, he was doing hard right video essays on youtube when many here were coloring on their bedroom walls with magic markers.
I actually do think picking Vance was a nod to middle American white men, that is just one reason he triggers shitlibs so much. Whether it's a winning strategy is too early to tell, I wish he would hit back harder and just tell shitlibs they are triggered to their faces.
Have you talked to American white women recently? Who can blame him for not wanting to deal with that bullshit and wanting a more traditional submissive woman from India?
Closing comments- when you go vote in November, vote with your conscience and for love of your country. Not necessarily for any one human, they are flawed. Vote USA.🇺🇸
In the primary you go after your core voters. In the general you focus on swing voters.
Trump has not compromised with DEI. He is emphasizing how a populist agenda helps Blacks and legal Hispanics. White working class people need to realize that they need some frikken allies in order to get over 50%.
Take Georgia, for example. Whites in Georgia are quite conservatarian. It was Neal Boortz country, for goodness sakes! But a funny thing happened to the Old South: the Great Migration reversed. Lot's of Blacks are migrating back south now that Jim Crow is over. The hard Red South will go purple unless we get some of those Blacks to vote Republican.
So Trump is doing the right thing and you aren't.
If 30% of Blacks vote Republican, it's game over for Team D.
Guess who hates the Troon Agenda: Blacks.
Guess who benefits from higher tariffs and the Wall: Blacks.
A populist agenda can benefit the crap out of Black America even if it includes dialing back the affirmative action and woke nonsense (which are both double-edged swords).
He will get around 8 percent of blacks, just like last time. Wait and see. The troons aren't going motivate blacks to vote for Trump.
Swing voters? Did you not see the stats from 2020? If he had kept his White working class margins he would likely have won in 2020. Instead, he pandered to minorities, lost more White males and he went down in flames.
The retard doesn't even know who his core constituency is in this election.
He won't have all of his core constituency, do you not understand what I said in my article? He isn't reaching out to White males. He's assuming he has all their votes that he can get, which is what cost him the election last time.
Other votes are great, if you have your core locked down, and he does not.
Deficit spending also has costs. Got to tax something! Best not to tax what the government buys, else you get high taxes without fixing the deficit.
Tariffs raise the prices of goods, but they also raise the wages of domestic labor. When domestic wages go up, the tax base goes up and the able-bodied welfare case load goes down. So does the prison population.
I'd rather pay Leroy $20/hour to do make Monopoly boards than pay the taxes to keep Leroy in jail because selling drugs paid more than doing legal work. Even if that triples the price of Monopoly games.
I'll neo-lib or lolbertarian, it's that tariffs drive up the priced of foreign goods so American goods are more competive which in turn will lead to more relatively high paying manufacturing jobs. Now you know you know you heavily propagandized P.O.S.
I said yesterday that the post that inspired this is very poor analysis, mostly pant-shitting about a few tilted polls (most of which still show Trump winning by a few points in the popular vote, FFS). You can take that opinion or leave it. But what I want to know is exactly what you want Trump to do/say to appeal to white voters? If he says he's going to deport illegal immigrants, it's not good enough unless he specifically justifies this based on whites? This is not a strawman -- you said are upset because he mentioned the baleful effects of unfettered immigration on black and hispanic wages. But will this not also benefit white working class? Give me an example of something you want him to say/do.
It is true that Trump lost in 2020 because he betrayed the white working class, and indeed he betrayed pretty much his entire base in a number of ways (no wall, no attempt to prosecute Hillary, putting neocons in his administration, etc...) Some of them went on to vote for "Scranton Joe", who most people at the time viewed as a working class friendly moderate. Well, four years later, obviously that didn't get them anywhere. They were not going to vote for him again, and Biden isnt' running anyway. You predict working class rust belters are going to rush to support Heels Up Harris because -- why? Because the Democrat media propaganda machine says everyone went from hating her to loving her in the course of a week? That the only real objection the public had against Biden is that he's old, and that everyone secretly loved his economic and open border policies?
Believe it or not, dissident right Substackers are not representative of your average working class voter in Pennsylvania or Wisconsin. They are not going to flood the polls if he starts talking about defending the sanctity of the white race or starts calling out those shifty and perfidious Jews.
Where is his program for White male jobs? He had the "platinum plan" for blacks last time and something else for latinos but nothing for White males. Where is his policy proposal for them? Let me save you some time: He doesn't have one and he will continue to constantly say "black jobs" or "latino jobs" but never, ever "white jobs."
Did you not see what I posted about his loss of White male voters between 2016 and 2020? Wait and see, I bet he will lose a greater percentage of them this time around.
Also, do NOT assume that a lot of White males are going to vote at all. Many will simply stay home, they aren't necessarily going to vote for Harris.
If white male voters don’t get their lazy butts off the sofa to VOTE for TRUMP then they damn well deserve not to have a job! Stop making excuses for people who don’t want to work. There are plenty of jobs for those who want to WORK. There are too many people these days that simply don’t have a clue what the word WORK involves. For instance, showing up on time, properly dressed, sober, with the right mental focus and positive attitude, willingness to co-operate with others, take responsibility for their actions, etc. And yes, I actually was a small business owner in the past. I helped create a few jobs. I am retired now and glad that I am. From what I hear, it is ugly out there now.
"Jobs for white guys" is the same thing as more, higher paying jobs in general. You don't talk about it like that because this is America in the 2020s and even half the conservative white population would shit a brick if you put it that way. "The Platinum Plan" was mostly loans and a promise of more jobs in general, along with nonsense like funding HBCs, of which there isn't an equivalent.
I'll bet he doesn't lose any ground in that demo come election day. The polls so far aren't showing it. Betrayed or not, there's a hell of a lot of working class white guys who were living better in 2019 than now and they know it.
We shall see, my friend. Let's revisit this topic after the election, when we have a breakdown of the numbers, and we can see if he kept White male votes from 2020 or lost them.
In his favor, he is running against Kamala. If anybody can screw up an advantage, it's her.
Yes Keirh Woods should stay in his lane which is being a strong advocate for European ethnic nationalism, he is out of his depth trying to parse the meaning of cooked American economic stats.
The Trump psyop is just an appeasement of the right to keep them complacent and docile. He quacks the things the right desperately wants to hear. They clap like mindless seals. He does nothing of what he promises. They make all kinds of mental-gymnastics excuses for him. They clap for him still.
Interesting point. I think he will lose because he can't control his mouth and he's prone to endless unforced errors. He needs to keep his goddammed mouth and ego in check. If he can do that without trying for a ridiculous sound bite, he stands a chance.
I did notice that Trump kept saying, "Black Jobs" over and over during the "debate" with Biden. I thought it was very odd.
He kept saying, "Illegals are stealing black jobs..."
Who says, "black jobs?" Who thought that was a good idea, or convincing?
I know, the pandering is sickening. He's so desperate to appear "not racist" that he just ends up looking like a fool. And some of the White males watching this are likely pissed he didn't mention them at all. The minority pandering is going to cost him again, wait and see.
I had planned to vote for Trump after Butler, before that there were no plans to vote as I don't believe our vote counts at the federal level anymore. Besides that they stole 2020 so what's to stop them from doing it again?
Trump absolutely turned his back on the people who put him in power in 2016 and if I do vote for him this time it'll be as another middle finger to the left and a desire to turn out in such numbers that it's impossible to steal this election.
I would say that President Commie LaWhorish is a pipe dream but after 2 Obama terms have learned to never discredit the possibility as outlandish. I think ultimately it doesn't matter who wins, the nation is headed for a divorce and eventually it'll be a reality. I dare say some will go the accelerationist route and vote for Harris and others like her in order to bring it about sooner rather than later.
Who gives a fleekin schiesta about white males. All they do is work, hunt and dream of a balanced & blueprinted 351 Cleveland. They don’t need Trumpy blowing smoke up their ass. He needs the black, Hispanic and female vote period. White guys are not going to let this one go because Trump doesn’t give them a woody. Polls mean nothing, just a snapshot in time. Go vote then have a cold one.
I hope you are right, Jeffrey. It will be very interesting to see the numbers breakdown after the election. If he loses, don't be surprised if his White male numbers declined from 2020 too.
2016 was a fluke. In 2024 there is no way in hell the Jewish donor class will let him say honest things about the plight of the white working poor on the wage/debt slavery hamster wheel. Until that root problem of AIPAC and other rich Jews funding our pols is addressed we will slide every further down into shitlib ruin.
We all know why Trump doesn't say White jobs.
It's not pandering per se in my humble opinion.
HE's probably been advised that if he says White jobs, then the MSN will have a field day going on about "white superemacy" or "white nationalsim" and it'll be on the View and all the late night chat show hosts and all the normies will be like "ohhhh my gooooddd."
Whatever he says will be clipped and will make it's way around the internet, you know it and I know it. IT'll be lied about by pricks like the Krassensteins.
I think we're all (as in White people) smart enough to know that there will be jobs for White people even if he doesn't explicitly say it.
That's my 2 cents anyways.
I agree with your analysis of Trump and his treatment of his White voter base. I watched a clip of him from a speech he delivered to the Black Congressional Congress where he told them that Blacks were responsible for building America. His pandering to them was off the charts.
I most likely will vote for him in November. He is the best choice of exceptionally bad choices. My expectation is that he will repair little of the damage our politicians have done and most likely will forget any promises of deportations or fixing our immigration issues. Electing him, however will most likely slow down America's inevitable decline and buy those of us that are aware a little more time to develop options for survival.
Had no idea this was going on, I still think Trump will win but that's more a 65% certainty not 100% and I've no direct dog in the fight. I still hope he'll win if only for a reprieve for all of us for four years and to completely derail and shatter the 2030 agenda, but if Trump loses he's got himself to blame. I only hope the Alaska and Texas Independence movements go hard at that point.
Well don't hold back on how you feel Morg. 😁
Can’t really factor in 2020 election numbers if the irregularities produced an invalid result. Jobs are not color dependent. Character is and always will be. Some voters have more character than others.
Keith Woods is one of the OGs, he was doing hard right video essays on youtube when many here were coloring on their bedroom walls with magic markers.
I actually do think picking Vance was a nod to middle American white men, that is just one reason he triggers shitlibs so much. Whether it's a winning strategy is too early to tell, I wish he would hit back harder and just tell shitlibs they are triggered to their faces.
Have you talked to American white women recently? Who can blame him for not wanting to deal with that bullshit and wanting a more traditional submissive woman from India?
Closing comments- when you go vote in November, vote with your conscience and for love of your country. Not necessarily for any one human, they are flawed. Vote USA.🇺🇸
In the primary you go after your core voters. In the general you focus on swing voters.
Trump has not compromised with DEI. He is emphasizing how a populist agenda helps Blacks and legal Hispanics. White working class people need to realize that they need some frikken allies in order to get over 50%.
Take Georgia, for example. Whites in Georgia are quite conservatarian. It was Neal Boortz country, for goodness sakes! But a funny thing happened to the Old South: the Great Migration reversed. Lot's of Blacks are migrating back south now that Jim Crow is over. The hard Red South will go purple unless we get some of those Blacks to vote Republican.
So Trump is doing the right thing and you aren't.
If 30% of Blacks vote Republican, it's game over for Team D.
Guess who hates the Troon Agenda: Blacks.
Guess who benefits from higher tariffs and the Wall: Blacks.
A populist agenda can benefit the crap out of Black America even if it includes dialing back the affirmative action and woke nonsense (which are both double-edged swords).
He will get around 8 percent of blacks, just like last time. Wait and see. The troons aren't going motivate blacks to vote for Trump.
Swing voters? Did you not see the stats from 2020? If he had kept his White working class margins he would likely have won in 2020. Instead, he pandered to minorities, lost more White males and he went down in flames.
The retard doesn't even know who his core constituency is in this election.
You cannot win with just your core constituency! Believing THAT is retarded.
Every successful presidential campaign has moved to the center publicly during the general (while doing get out the vote privately).
Have a look at this site and feel gooder about America:
https://officialhodgetwins.com/
I have a dream! I have a dream of a Black version of "The Dukes of Hazzard" which doesn't kill the Black Dukes in the first episode.
Watch some H.K. Edgerton videos. A great deal of Black culture is Southern culture and vice versa. We have some kinks to work out.
He won't have all of his core constituency, do you not understand what I said in my article? He isn't reaching out to White males. He's assuming he has all their votes that he can get, which is what cost him the election last time.
Other votes are great, if you have your core locked down, and he does not.
Could you please help me understand how any Americans benefit from tariffs? Don't they universally raise costs for consumers?
Deficit spending also has costs. Got to tax something! Best not to tax what the government buys, else you get high taxes without fixing the deficit.
Tariffs raise the prices of goods, but they also raise the wages of domestic labor. When domestic wages go up, the tax base goes up and the able-bodied welfare case load goes down. So does the prison population.
I'd rather pay Leroy $20/hour to do make Monopoly boards than pay the taxes to keep Leroy in jail because selling drugs paid more than doing legal work. Even if that triples the price of Monopoly games.
I've gone deep on the subject here:
https://rulesforreactionaries.substack.com/p/free-trade-isnt
And here:
https://rulesforreactionaries.substack.com/p/santa-claus-vs-the-cost-disease
I'll neo-lib or lolbertarian, it's that tariffs drive up the priced of foreign goods so American goods are more competive which in turn will lead to more relatively high paying manufacturing jobs. Now you know you know you heavily propagandized P.O.S.
I said yesterday that the post that inspired this is very poor analysis, mostly pant-shitting about a few tilted polls (most of which still show Trump winning by a few points in the popular vote, FFS). You can take that opinion or leave it. But what I want to know is exactly what you want Trump to do/say to appeal to white voters? If he says he's going to deport illegal immigrants, it's not good enough unless he specifically justifies this based on whites? This is not a strawman -- you said are upset because he mentioned the baleful effects of unfettered immigration on black and hispanic wages. But will this not also benefit white working class? Give me an example of something you want him to say/do.
It is true that Trump lost in 2020 because he betrayed the white working class, and indeed he betrayed pretty much his entire base in a number of ways (no wall, no attempt to prosecute Hillary, putting neocons in his administration, etc...) Some of them went on to vote for "Scranton Joe", who most people at the time viewed as a working class friendly moderate. Well, four years later, obviously that didn't get them anywhere. They were not going to vote for him again, and Biden isnt' running anyway. You predict working class rust belters are going to rush to support Heels Up Harris because -- why? Because the Democrat media propaganda machine says everyone went from hating her to loving her in the course of a week? That the only real objection the public had against Biden is that he's old, and that everyone secretly loved his economic and open border policies?
Believe it or not, dissident right Substackers are not representative of your average working class voter in Pennsylvania or Wisconsin. They are not going to flood the polls if he starts talking about defending the sanctity of the white race or starts calling out those shifty and perfidious Jews.
Where is his program for White male jobs? He had the "platinum plan" for blacks last time and something else for latinos but nothing for White males. Where is his policy proposal for them? Let me save you some time: He doesn't have one and he will continue to constantly say "black jobs" or "latino jobs" but never, ever "white jobs."
Did you not see what I posted about his loss of White male voters between 2016 and 2020? Wait and see, I bet he will lose a greater percentage of them this time around.
Also, do NOT assume that a lot of White males are going to vote at all. Many will simply stay home, they aren't necessarily going to vote for Harris.
If white male voters don’t get their lazy butts off the sofa to VOTE for TRUMP then they damn well deserve not to have a job! Stop making excuses for people who don’t want to work. There are plenty of jobs for those who want to WORK. There are too many people these days that simply don’t have a clue what the word WORK involves. For instance, showing up on time, properly dressed, sober, with the right mental focus and positive attitude, willingness to co-operate with others, take responsibility for their actions, etc. And yes, I actually was a small business owner in the past. I helped create a few jobs. I am retired now and glad that I am. From what I hear, it is ugly out there now.
Yes obey your Jew masters and be a good little obedient shill slave on the wage/debt slavery hamster wheel.
2001 called they want their neo-con back who sucks out Jew assholes and proclaims it tastes like delicious fudge.
"Jobs for white guys" is the same thing as more, higher paying jobs in general. You don't talk about it like that because this is America in the 2020s and even half the conservative white population would shit a brick if you put it that way. "The Platinum Plan" was mostly loans and a promise of more jobs in general, along with nonsense like funding HBCs, of which there isn't an equivalent.
I'll bet he doesn't lose any ground in that demo come election day. The polls so far aren't showing it. Betrayed or not, there's a hell of a lot of working class white guys who were living better in 2019 than now and they know it.
We shall see, my friend. Let's revisit this topic after the election, when we have a breakdown of the numbers, and we can see if he kept White male votes from 2020 or lost them.
In his favor, he is running against Kamala. If anybody can screw up an advantage, it's her.
Yes Keirh Woods should stay in his lane which is being a strong advocate for European ethnic nationalism, he is out of his depth trying to parse the meaning of cooked American economic stats.
Nationalism will come, even if it’s not this election cycle or the next. It’s just a matter of time.
The Trump psyop is just an appeasement of the right to keep them complacent and docile. He quacks the things the right desperately wants to hear. They clap like mindless seals. He does nothing of what he promises. They make all kinds of mental-gymnastics excuses for him. They clap for him still.
Interesting point. I think he will lose because he can't control his mouth and he's prone to endless unforced errors. He needs to keep his goddammed mouth and ego in check. If he can do that without trying for a ridiculous sound bite, he stands a chance.
He seemed to have it more under control during the debate with Biden, I'll give him that.