The COVID shots didn't just injure those who took them; they also affected the people who refused to take them, and who now must bear witness to the consequences
"You can lead a horse to water but you cannot make it drink". Old sayings are profound because they are based on eons of experience with human nature. You did the right thing Morgthorak and good on you for that.
"Hindsight bias, also known as the knew-it-all-along phenomenon or creeping determinism, is the common tendency for people to perceive past events as having been more predictable than they were"
If we knew at the time how much people would suffer, then yeah I think we'd all act a little differently, but the problem is no one would listen. I tried. I lost my job over it. I thought that would have been enough to convince people. I thought a lot of things. I thought people suffering from side-effects or dropping over would do it. Still, silence. A lot are living life as if nothing happened, and don't understand how broke everything is. You can't help if no one asks.
Fear has a wild effect on people, and we just have to learn to deal and do what we can, sadly.
It's a strange time. Michael Yeadon posted that if the population knew that there was malice a forethought behind the design and implementation of the vaccines there would be riots. I don't think so, people want to move on and leave the bad dreams and reality behind them. Rage fatigue 😴
You don't have to be sorry. Probably for the best since now I know they're all basically evil. I'd rather be far away from that, and I'm doing something else so it all worked out anyway.
You did more than most offering your intuition - to do more renders you at fault if your advice was unsuitable. We all make our choices based on information available, our experience and our karma. Your friends had an option to take your advice and they considered it and decided against it- their right which I know you respected.
I'm pretty much in the same boat as you, Morgthorak. I called the whole COVID thing correctly from day one (genuinely, right from the start) and wouldn't have touched the shots with a bargepole but my guilt is that I didn't go public in any meaningful manner. I was in a WhatsApp group of a few old mates and told them the whole thing was BS, including the jabs, but apart from that I just kept my thoughts to myself. My excuse? Who am I? Just some aging lorry driver with no public platform or meaningful pulpit to preach from. What can we do, not just about this particular matter but about everything in life, except follow Beckett's advice - “Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better.”
I knew several people with reservations about getting the shot, they did it anyway either due to their jobs requiring it or family/social pressure. I lost my job over that nonsense, but never pushed anyone one way or another. In my view, It was a choice every individual should have made for themselves. I only wish they had extended me the same courtesy
You could have yelled at your friends, but that probably would have led to them unfriending you rather than not taking the shot. There is no way to force people to see the truth, especially when they do not want to see it. You did everything that you could.
Morgthorak, I just knew I did not want the C-bug shots, none of them. I do not like pharma in general and especially these. My little ongoing "gag" motto remains, "bugs don't like me, I'm too mean." For some reason...that has worked for me. Bugs see me and say "Eww, let me get away from THAT one, too contentious, too cantankerous!" Like I said, works for me. I survived the 1960's...and the 1970's...etc. I am very sorry for the departure of your friend and for those you know who suffer from the shots. Sad stuff in this world. Hold fast Morg, you are needed.
Always, Morg. It seems Substack Notes is a rare garden of support on the wild west that is the Internet. I am grateful for the handful of good people I have met on Notes, including you. We can converse and support one another. Even though I am older than you, I recognize the rambunctious yet sincere heart you have, like mine. Keep on!
No survivor guilt here. Not a whit. I told them what I thought, I offered the research, I warned them not to get it. If they did, that’s on them. Called free will. Not my problem if it didn’t work out too well.
The issue was politicized from the get-go, making it impossible to give an opinion that deviated from gov't propaganda. But still of course, we tried. And were vilified as extreme right wing anti-vaxxers. And a hundred variations on that theme. So eventually we just shut up & thought, hopefully we're wrong.
And now? I go back forth. Some days I sympathize with those suffering now for a suboptimal decision back then. But other days I am profoundly indifferent, shrug, & think "serves you right for being sheep in the face of evil. Suck it up." But no, I never feel a molecule of guilt.
It's likely about to get much worse, with Europe & the anglophone nations facing millions dying as the dysfunctional weakened immune systems reach a tipping point of not fighting off terminal diseases adequately any more. That's what a leading virologist said recently on the Kunstler podcast, Geert Vanden Bosshe.
You did all you could. From my experience, whether your approach was or wasn’t aggressive, the people you were trying to help would have still gotten shot. I also suspect that those you warned would go out of their way not to share with you if they sense a connection between their adverse health and the shots — especially with you.
I lost friends because I would not take the shots. Some, their friendship, others, their lives. I feel like a coward right now because I know two people who took the shots who are now suffering terribly (one has odd heart problems and frozen shoulder, the other started with burst appendix and now literally has no immune system). These people are not friends but I know them. I know I should say something. Maybe I still will.
Fear overcomes rationalization and pharma, government, and marketers understand this. Every day we are bombarded with fear to control us. Once you see this, you will feel the the freedom that is God given and protected by our Constitution.
I have zero survivors guilt. I tried to dissuade. They didn't listen. I saved three of my five children from taking it. Watching and waiting is hard but I feel no guilt, only a profound sadness.
My wife and I were in the same boat. We were skeptical about the not-vax at first because 2020 was a pivotal year because of COVID. We were admittedly concerned at first with the virus and what it could do, and it wasn’t long at all; it was March of that year; and we were already seeing that people whom were contracting the virus were doing ok, and the people with underlying conditions were the ones who seemed to be having the most difficulties.
We saw the government, its interaction with people, and then saw firsthand how far the it was (and still is) willing to go to manipulate people, and that’s when my wife and I decided we weren’t going to be not-vaxxed. Both sets of our parents however did take the shots because they are older and were concerned about what could happen to them. We worried about them a lot because of the exact reasons you mentioned and we, too, felt guilty that we didn’t try hard enough to talk to them about it.
Bottom line though is like many on here have said, you can’t hold yourself accountable for choices that you didn’t make. It’s our prayer as well that God keeps a hand on the shoulder of those who were manipulated into what they thought was the right choice for themselves.
My last thing and then I’ll shut up: One thing that’s helped me to deal with the guilt I’ve felt has been remembering people throughout our community who were downright mean towards people who didn’t want to take the shot; to the extent of saying it was a sin or that we weren’t being good neighbors in/of Christ because of our choice. Jesus never manipulated anyone into doing anything; he helped those who sought him out (ref Matthew 10:14-16).
The whole point of a vaccine is immunize the recipient against a particular disease. The placebo sauce this sham government forced on everyone did not do that nor was that its purpose.
"You can lead a horse to water but you cannot make it drink". Old sayings are profound because they are based on eons of experience with human nature. You did the right thing Morgthorak and good on you for that.
Hindsight is 20/20.
"Hindsight bias, also known as the knew-it-all-along phenomenon or creeping determinism, is the common tendency for people to perceive past events as having been more predictable than they were"
If we knew at the time how much people would suffer, then yeah I think we'd all act a little differently, but the problem is no one would listen. I tried. I lost my job over it. I thought that would have been enough to convince people. I thought a lot of things. I thought people suffering from side-effects or dropping over would do it. Still, silence. A lot are living life as if nothing happened, and don't understand how broke everything is. You can't help if no one asks.
Fear has a wild effect on people, and we just have to learn to deal and do what we can, sadly.
It's a strange time. Michael Yeadon posted that if the population knew that there was malice a forethought behind the design and implementation of the vaccines there would be riots. I don't think so, people want to move on and leave the bad dreams and reality behind them. Rage fatigue 😴
I am sorry to hear about you losing your job, and you are right about fear, it is a powerful way to manipulate and control people.
You don't have to be sorry. Probably for the best since now I know they're all basically evil. I'd rather be far away from that, and I'm doing something else so it all worked out anyway.
Good for you man, I am glad to hear it. 👍🏻
You did more than most offering your intuition - to do more renders you at fault if your advice was unsuitable. We all make our choices based on information available, our experience and our karma. Your friends had an option to take your advice and they considered it and decided against it- their right which I know you respected.
Very true, I am not the boss of anyone, nor do I wish to be. Alas, I still with things had turned out otherwise.
I'm pretty much in the same boat as you, Morgthorak. I called the whole COVID thing correctly from day one (genuinely, right from the start) and wouldn't have touched the shots with a bargepole but my guilt is that I didn't go public in any meaningful manner. I was in a WhatsApp group of a few old mates and told them the whole thing was BS, including the jabs, but apart from that I just kept my thoughts to myself. My excuse? Who am I? Just some aging lorry driver with no public platform or meaningful pulpit to preach from. What can we do, not just about this particular matter but about everything in life, except follow Beckett's advice - “Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better.”
I knew several people with reservations about getting the shot, they did it anyway either due to their jobs requiring it or family/social pressure. I lost my job over that nonsense, but never pushed anyone one way or another. In my view, It was a choice every individual should have made for themselves. I only wish they had extended me the same courtesy
Good point about not getting the same courtesy from some people. That is very true, indeed.
You could have yelled at your friends, but that probably would have led to them unfriending you rather than not taking the shot. There is no way to force people to see the truth, especially when they do not want to see it. You did everything that you could.
Morgthorak, I just knew I did not want the C-bug shots, none of them. I do not like pharma in general and especially these. My little ongoing "gag" motto remains, "bugs don't like me, I'm too mean." For some reason...that has worked for me. Bugs see me and say "Eww, let me get away from THAT one, too contentious, too cantankerous!" Like I said, works for me. I survived the 1960's...and the 1970's...etc. I am very sorry for the departure of your friend and for those you know who suffer from the shots. Sad stuff in this world. Hold fast Morg, you are needed.
Thank you very much, dear friend.
Always, Morg. It seems Substack Notes is a rare garden of support on the wild west that is the Internet. I am grateful for the handful of good people I have met on Notes, including you. We can converse and support one another. Even though I am older than you, I recognize the rambunctious yet sincere heart you have, like mine. Keep on!
No survivor guilt here. Not a whit. I told them what I thought, I offered the research, I warned them not to get it. If they did, that’s on them. Called free will. Not my problem if it didn’t work out too well.
An understandable perspective, but it will be harder for you if you know someone who dies from the shots. It was for me.
Nope, no guilt. Some chose wisely, some chose poorly. They all chose. I chose no Vax. I believe I made the wiser choice.
The issue was politicized from the get-go, making it impossible to give an opinion that deviated from gov't propaganda. But still of course, we tried. And were vilified as extreme right wing anti-vaxxers. And a hundred variations on that theme. So eventually we just shut up & thought, hopefully we're wrong.
And now? I go back forth. Some days I sympathize with those suffering now for a suboptimal decision back then. But other days I am profoundly indifferent, shrug, & think "serves you right for being sheep in the face of evil. Suck it up." But no, I never feel a molecule of guilt.
It's likely about to get much worse, with Europe & the anglophone nations facing millions dying as the dysfunctional weakened immune systems reach a tipping point of not fighting off terminal diseases adequately any more. That's what a leading virologist said recently on the Kunstler podcast, Geert Vanden Bosshe.
I hope that virologist is wrong, but I doubt it. Too many people dying now for it to be a coincidence.
You did all you could. From my experience, whether your approach was or wasn’t aggressive, the people you were trying to help would have still gotten shot. I also suspect that those you warned would go out of their way not to share with you if they sense a connection between their adverse health and the shots — especially with you.
I lost friends because I would not take the shots. Some, their friendship, others, their lives. I feel like a coward right now because I know two people who took the shots who are now suffering terribly (one has odd heart problems and frozen shoulder, the other started with burst appendix and now literally has no immune system). These people are not friends but I know them. I know I should say something. Maybe I still will.
Fear overcomes rationalization and pharma, government, and marketers understand this. Every day we are bombarded with fear to control us. Once you see this, you will feel the the freedom that is God given and protected by our Constitution.
I have zero survivors guilt. I tried to dissuade. They didn't listen. I saved three of my five children from taking it. Watching and waiting is hard but I feel no guilt, only a profound sadness.
Yes, in some cases it will be a long goodbye but I hope I am wrong about that, sadness indeed.
My wife and I were in the same boat. We were skeptical about the not-vax at first because 2020 was a pivotal year because of COVID. We were admittedly concerned at first with the virus and what it could do, and it wasn’t long at all; it was March of that year; and we were already seeing that people whom were contracting the virus were doing ok, and the people with underlying conditions were the ones who seemed to be having the most difficulties.
We saw the government, its interaction with people, and then saw firsthand how far the it was (and still is) willing to go to manipulate people, and that’s when my wife and I decided we weren’t going to be not-vaxxed. Both sets of our parents however did take the shots because they are older and were concerned about what could happen to them. We worried about them a lot because of the exact reasons you mentioned and we, too, felt guilty that we didn’t try hard enough to talk to them about it.
Bottom line though is like many on here have said, you can’t hold yourself accountable for choices that you didn’t make. It’s our prayer as well that God keeps a hand on the shoulder of those who were manipulated into what they thought was the right choice for themselves.
My last thing and then I’ll shut up: One thing that’s helped me to deal with the guilt I’ve felt has been remembering people throughout our community who were downright mean towards people who didn’t want to take the shot; to the extent of saying it was a sin or that we weren’t being good neighbors in/of Christ because of our choice. Jesus never manipulated anyone into doing anything; he helped those who sought him out (ref Matthew 10:14-16).
The whole point of a vaccine is immunize the recipient against a particular disease. The placebo sauce this sham government forced on everyone did not do that nor was that its purpose.
Mic drop and thank you, sir
Very true, some people were mean. I agree on that wholeheartedly. Also good point about the lack of immunization, the stupid crap didn't work either.
You did what you had to do which is way more than many.
Thank you, fren.